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Post by Stu on Oct 7, 2020 4:39:56 GMT -8
CGC Insider #1 with The Arseman "In the spirit of transparency..."
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 7, 2020 7:49:37 GMT -8
CGC Insider #1 with The Arseman "In the spirit of transparency..." His expression says it all, "I can't believe how stupid comic book collectors are."
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Post by steveinthecity on Oct 7, 2020 11:59:38 GMT -8
I can see some value this video might have, particularly to those new(-ish) to the hobby, just to get a general sense of what a grader looks at and assesses.
The “transparency” comment was kind of funny, but again, for new people this plants the seed that there is transparency. They’ll eventually see that’s not the case.
I found my mind wondering about the two people at the desk in the background. The gentleman closest seemed to be moving in slow motion.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 7, 2020 15:53:21 GMT -8
This guy is forcing playback on YouTube, so just fast forward to about 5:00.
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Post by steveinthecity on Oct 8, 2020 2:05:43 GMT -8
Seeing these makes me wonder what percentage of cases get cracked in transit coming back from CGC, and what number would be considered acceptable?
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CGC Misc.
Oct 12, 2020 7:44:55 GMT -8
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Post by Stu on Oct 12, 2020 7:44:55 GMT -8
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Post by steveinthecity on Oct 12, 2020 8:05:18 GMT -8
So would something like that be in the Grader’s notes? Please note the Mod is Jennifer F. from the coin side of the building.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 12, 2020 8:10:04 GMT -8
Some smart anti-presser is going to jump on that and demand they put that information in the notes and on the label. The logic being, it's one thing to say that pressing is undetectable restoration, and quite another to refuse to disclose pressing when it is performed. Especially in this case when the presser and the grader are the same company.
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Post by Buzzetta on Oct 12, 2020 8:31:24 GMT -8
Some smart anti-presser is going to jump on that and demand they put that information in the notes and on the label. The logic being, it's one thing to say that pressing is undetectable restoration, and quite another to refuse to disclose pressing when it is performed. Especially in this case when the presser and the grader are the same company. I don't think that logic holds up though. They are not saying that they can detect pressing. They are saying that they can only detect whether a book has been pressed by CCS. To do that they have to review the serial number which will then pull up information on the book that is not available for public consumption, such as the name of the original submitter and the order form attributed with that submission. Upon review of the submission they most likely have a documentation of the chain of custody of that book. That way they know exactly which grader looked at which book and things like that. If the chain of custody extends to Matt when you pull up the number, then it was worked on. However, I would assume that they have no information on my books being pressed, as even though I hand them off to Joe to press, I am submitting them under my account. This means that when he drops them off at CGC they are treated as if I had mailed them in myself.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 12, 2020 8:47:57 GMT -8
Some smart anti-presser is going to jump on that and demand they put that information in the notes and on the label. The logic being, it's one thing to say that pressing is undetectable restoration, and quite another to refuse to disclose pressing when it is performed. Especially in this case when the presser and the grader are the same company. I don't think that logic holds up though. They are not saying that they can detect pressing. They are saying that they can only detect whether a book has been pressed by CCS. To do that they have to review the serial number which will then pull up information on the book that is not available for public consumption, such as the name of the original submitter and the order form attributed with that submission. Upon review of the submission they most likely have a documentation of the chain of custody of that book. That way they know exactly which grader looked at which book and things like that. If the chain of custody extends to Matt when you pull up the number, then it was worked on. However, I would assume that they have no information on my books being pressed, as even though I hand them off to Joe to press, I am submitting them under my account. This means that when he drops them off at CGC they are treated as if I had mailed them in myself. Wait...what??? Where did I say any of that?
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CGC Misc.
Oct 12, 2020 8:48:29 GMT -8
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Post by Stu on Oct 12, 2020 8:48:29 GMT -8
Some smart anti-presser is going to jump on that and demand they put that information in the notes and on the label. The logic being, it's one thing to say that pressing is undetectable restoration, and quite another to refuse to disclose pressing when it is performed. Especially in this case when the presser and the grader are the same company. Can you imagine if the general public gets wind of this? CGC will have thousands of phone calls and emails
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 12, 2020 8:54:33 GMT -8
Some smart anti-presser is going to jump on that and demand they put that information in the notes and on the label. The logic being, it's one thing to say that pressing is undetectable restoration, and quite another to refuse to disclose pressing when it is performed. Especially in this case when the presser and the grader are the same company. Can you imagine if the general public gets wind of this? CGC will have thousands of phone calls and emails Exactly. There will also be countless threads demanding that CGC do the right thing morally and disclose restoration on the label (in this case, pressing) when THEY perform it. Prior to this, there was supposed to be a Chinese wall between CCS and CGC Grading. If that's not the case, then they have no excuse for lack of disclosure.
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Post by Buzzetta on Oct 12, 2020 10:16:30 GMT -8
Can you imagine if the general public gets wind of this? CGC will have thousands of phone calls and emails Exactly. There will also be countless threads demanding that CGC do the right thing morally and disclose restoration on the label (in this case, pressing) when THEY perform it. Prior to this, there was supposed to be a Chinese wall between CCS and CGC Grading. If that's not the case, then they have no excuse for lack of disclosure. Their lack of disclosure is financially driven. It is very probable that they cannot tell with certainty what has been pressed and what is naturally a flat book with no cover defects. If they say that they are going to disclose pressing on slabs then no one is going to submit their books to ccs.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 12, 2020 11:05:11 GMT -8
Exactly. There will also be countless threads demanding that CGC do the right thing morally and disclose restoration on the label (in this case, pressing) when THEY perform it. Prior to this, there was supposed to be a Chinese wall between CCS and CGC Grading. If that's not the case, then they have no excuse for lack of disclosure. Their lack of disclosure is financially driven. It is very probable that they cannot tell with certainty what has been pressed and what is naturally a flat book with no cover defects. If they say that they are going to disclose pressing on slabs then no one is going to submit their books to ccs. Of course. CGC created the entire CPR market. They did so with their stance on restoration and pressing. They manipulated the market for profit. They are making money by performing restoration (pressing), AND by capitalizing on resubmissions through higher grade expectations. The only way they've gotten away with this so far has been through their BS Chinese wall explanation...they pretend that there is no communication between the restoration side of the house and the grading side of the house. But everyone knows it's in their best interest to make sure that there IS communication between the two. If CCS recommends pressing to increase the grade and the grade decreases, it's a pox on both sides of the house. So if this clueless mod comes back with evidence that a systemic method of communication across the Chinese wall exists, CGC loses their feeble excuse and must now (morally) disclose restoration (pressing) when they perform it. You can't have two standards. You can't demand that a seller disclose restoration if he knows about it, while at the same time saying it's ok for CGC to keep their restoration activities hidden. And yes, if this were to happen; OF COURSE no one would submit to CCS, because they wouldn't want that stigma spelled out on the grading label. This is the whole point. A grading company that wants to be viewed as impartial should never even CONSIDER acquiring a restoration business. One caveat though. Pressing is now standard operating procedure for most flippers. And most collectors now accept that most valuable books have probably been pressed. So the stigma is far less than it was when CGC first acquired CCS, unfortunately.
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Post by steveinthecity on Oct 13, 2020 5:30:43 GMT -8
Jennifer F. responded that neither of the two books asked about were “pressed previously”. She doesn’t specifically state pressed by CCS, but I’m assuming that’s implied. Giving Details For CCS Pressing
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