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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 10, 2024 6:13:55 GMT -8
Is CGC Really Doing Anything About Those Affected By The Re-Holder Scam?
Did this guy ever publicly apologize for saying a book was trimmed when it wasn't?
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Post by crossingtherubicon on Jan 11, 2024 3:30:17 GMT -8
Immaculate Comics has a new video.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 11, 2024 7:31:56 GMT -8
Immaculate Comics has a new video.
Why would this clown be going into detail, online, on the internet to refine the process of how to properly reseal a slab like he does at the end of the video? It would be like a hacker explaining in a video how to hack into a secure database, and then retracing his steps and fixing all the errors he made in his first video. What a tool.
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Post by bulldog on Jan 11, 2024 14:58:25 GMT -8
Immaculate Comics has a new video.
Great video! Thanks for posting!
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Post by crossingtherubicon on Jan 12, 2024 3:27:49 GMT -8
Another new one.
"Hacking" The new CBCS Slabs
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scoot
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Post by scoot on Jan 13, 2024 5:31:50 GMT -8
Another great article on the CGC Scandal.
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Post by splash on Jan 13, 2024 7:56:52 GMT -8
I finally managed to wade through that bloated CGC thread. Comicwiz should come over here and say what he REALLY thinks without fear of being moderated. Here is his latest post, and it's one of the best I've read on the subject.
"I'm trying my best not to be critical, but reading through the conditions of consumers impacted by this as set out in The CGC Guarantee is rather unsettling. It is amazing to me that CGC is requiring the cooperation of those impacted to surrender "impacted" books on the list they created, but have used the most verbose and technically complex language possible to lay out what in my estimation is a lopsided avantage to the Guarantor, who may/may not cover or compensate those impacted by this. As somone who handles appraisals in a wide-range of situations, including in post-loss scenarios, I am both baffled and completely underwhelmed by what I'm reading, and what I'm seeing happening behind the scenes, and hope that those impacted at the very least seek out a second opinion by an impartial party on any offer of compensation they receive.
However, what I think the community most needs to know (and believe me when I say there is a lot I am restraining myself from sharing) is that it is not a good look right now that CGC is removing certificaiton numbers, which in essence may serve as a critical component of establishing the very evidence proving the tampering took place. I have already begun seeing this happen with the Project Green to Blue books, where the certifications numbers for the green (qualified) are no longer available for look-up on the Verify CGC Certification. This is one of the reason why I've been heistant in sharing other books NOT on the impacted list, which are on the dataset that I first used to find the books I did.
Finally, under the section of the CGC Guarantee page titled Exclusive Venue for Disputes and Governing Law, under the section EVERYWHERE ELSE - I want to put it out there that for those impacted (and you don't have to be directly impacted by this to qualify for these options I am providing, because we are all indirectly impacted by this for too many reasons to list here at the moment), the community should be aware that as a consumer, you have every right to file a report with the FTC, the Office of the Inspector General, and with your State Attorney General’s Office Consumer Protection Division, as well as obtaining legal assistance.
I didn't ask for anything in return for the work I did, but I did expect better from CGC than what I'm seeing, in the manner this is all being handled. I'm very disappoiinted with what I've seen develop thus far."
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Post by crossingtherubicon on Jan 13, 2024 14:32:18 GMT -8
Wow! Just wow.
Edit - go to 412 seconds (or 6 minutes, 52 seconds).
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 13, 2024 16:14:53 GMT -8
Another great article on the CGC Scandal. What was great about that article? I thought it was poorly written, poorly researched, she obviously doesn't like slabs and the article sounded like it was written this way. What are you wowing? That his repairs aren't detectable with UV or something else?
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 13, 2024 17:19:54 GMT -8
I'll add that I've now seen quite a few freshly graded books from CGC and this could just be coincidence (because according to namisgr, everything I type is anecdotal ) but the latest submissions from CGC seem MUCH harder to break open than they used to be. I tried to open a few to test them. And in my experience, they weren't even that easy before. Dovetailing on what Lizards2 posted over there a few days ago (he has apparently cracked over 500 slabs), Lizards2 stated that he NEVER found it easy to open slabs. I have to agree, I've almost never been able to open a slab without cracking it - ie: showing signs of cracks that can't be missed. And these latest slabs are even harder to open now. It's great for security, but frankly they are almost too hard to open now. In a few cases, I was actually concerned about damaging the book because it was so difficult to get the slab opened. So the people on the CGC threads who are stating that CGC isn't doing much except for firing some QC inspector, or that all slabs are suspect quite literally have no idea what they're talking about (as usual, for many of the people over there).------------------------------------ I actually have a lot more 1st hand info and experience to add about the entire slabbing process, and the security of the outer holder, but I'm going to hold off for a few reasons until a later date. But the fact that CGC is doing very little is really a dumb thing to say and people are speaking out of ignorance. It's also worth pointing out that there is probably very little to worry about with books that have been graded AFTER this problem was uncovered.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 13, 2024 19:53:56 GMT -8
So, Domo has the pressing thing slightly wrong. CGC NEVER considered pressing restoration, and it's a very grey area whether the hobby did either. Pressing WITH cleaning was notated on early books but that stopped as well, and now only cleaning is notated. The reason pressing used to be notated was that when a book was wet cleaned it HAD to have been pressed but CGC eventually realized that it was redundant and unnecessary. --------------------------------------------- Finally, CGC WAS pressing books for select clients, but it wasn't that exclusive. I was a very small submitter / collector and they told me about it 20 years ago, so it wasn't a secret. They were simply in the process of opening up a pressing and restoration removal business ala CCS about 6 or 7 years before CGC bought out Matt Nelson and moved him to CGC. As all businesses, they were simply starting small and were going to go fully public. There was a bit of a backlash about the pressing / resto removal service from the purists in the hobby and NOD, but eventually they bought CCS and did it. So on both accounts, there was absolutely nothing nefarious here. BTW, I respect Domo, I just think he remembered it wrong.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 13, 2024 20:59:17 GMT -8
Finally, instagrammer 9.9 is saying that "zaneglor" stated that he and a CGC higher up 'decided' there were only "so many" MJ inserts or a particular, but this statement can be taken in an entirely different manner or context than the one everyone is currently up in arms about.
He simply could have spoken to someone at CGC and they could have "decided", or agreed upon that there have been X amount of MJ inserts of that book graded.
This take is FAR more believable in the context of everything I know.
Think about it: They're all actually, truly comic book nerds...CGC graders are full on comic nerds and they may actually REMEMBER how many have passed through their hands, in much the same way that I may remember every copy I've seen of my favorite covers that have passed through my hands.
This interpretation is FAR more realistic to me, than someone admitting that there is census "fixing" going on inside CGC...which is totally ridiculous IMO.
Really? Racketeering about census numbers and in collusion with someone outside CGC? It's laughable.
Most of these people who have been 'renting their clothes' over there are so blinded by rage that they can't see clearly right now and are whipping themselves into a frenzy. It's ridiculous. Reason and logic has left the building.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 16, 2024 14:10:59 GMT -8
New interview with Matt Nelson.
The video basically answers everyone's questions, many of which were able to be extrapolated logically but Matt did a decent job of reassuring everyone that this was dealt with thoroughly, internally.
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scoot
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Post by scoot on Jan 20, 2024 6:20:52 GMT -8
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Post by crossingtherubicon on Jan 27, 2024 8:55:20 GMT -8
More TROUBLE At CGC COMICS?!? MEGA GRAILS Graded WRONG!?!
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