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Post by parker1865 on Jan 4, 2023 9:34:49 GMT -8
You keep implying ( right on the edge of flatly stating it ) that the vaccine is causing issues. When the recent issue with the NFL payer happened I immediately knew you would be posting and implying here that it was caused by the vaccine. I asked for proof and it was a rhetorical question more or less because so far there is none. Do I think that there are people who may have had adverse effects from the vaccine? Absolutely, there are a small percentage of people who suffer adverse effects from the polio vaccine as well. That doesn't mean it's not safe and hasn't saved countless lives. Sigh.....
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 4, 2023 12:12:24 GMT -8
You keep implying ( right on the edge of flatly stating it ) that the vaccine is causing issues. When the recent issue with the NFL payer happened I immediately knew you would be posting and implying here that it was caused by the vaccine. I asked for proof and it was a rhetorical question more or less because so far there is none. Do I think that there are people who may have had adverse effects from the vaccine? Absolutely, there are a small percentage of people who suffer adverse effects from the polio vaccine as well. That doesn't mean it's not safe and hasn't saved countless lives. Does your concern for bias spread to Liberal media as well, or do you only point out when someone posts a link to something that goes against your belief system? You've trolled me for years and have never made a substantial post addressing the meat and potatoes of THE MESSAGE once to my knowledge. All you have continually done is attack THE MESSENGER. Is that why you came here from your own site? What I'm 'implying', if anything, is neutral ground. It can be discussed to ANYONE who wants to discuss it and the facts. I have never once stated in a single post NOT to take the vaccine. I'm a sucker for the underdog on any day of the week and on any topic, and in this case the underdogs are people who were suckered into taking this vaccine without being given a clear understand of the potential side effects. My friends and family were affected. They were injured. Some died. Some have lasting injuries. I'm doing this to spread awareness of the things the MEDIA IS NOT SHARING so that people can make a better educated decision. The media has CENSORED the discussion. Even you are now seeing that. It was a long uphill battle but now everyone can see it. I just happened to see it ahead of most, over 2 years ago. I'm asking you again: WHAT DO YOU WANT PROOF OF? All you do is discuss the people involved in the discussion and not the topic itself. Make your points discussion worthy or f*@k off.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 4, 2023 12:20:02 GMT -8
This list was shared to me by a boardie. This is a comprehensive list of over 300 athletes from all over the world, documented in chronological order by health occurrence. Each athlete has their sport, age, time of incident and health problem listed. Some have died. Some have had cardiac arrests, blood clots or other health issues. Some have had to leave their sport. I can't fact check all of these and I'm sure some may not belong but the lists in these threads should sober everyone out if even a fraction of them are accurate. airtable.com/shrbaT4x8LG8EbvVG/tbl7xKsSUIOPAa7MxI only looked up info on ONE of these listed on that site because I recognize the name as a former NFL player - Demaryius Thomas: According to Wikipedia: "On December 9, 2021, Thomas was discovered unconscious at his residence in Roswell, Georgia. He was later pronounced dead at the age of 33. The cause of death was believed to be a seizure, secondary to injuries Thomas suffered in a 2019 car crash. Police said that his death was attributed to a "medical issue". After his death, his brain was donated to Boston University for examination, which tested positive for chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a neurodegenerative condition associated with repeated head trauma."Again, not saying there's nothing to post-vaccine medical issues in young folks, but it needs to be investigated and reported more accurately, by all sides. I'm 100% certain there will be people on that list that DID NOT die from something related to the jab. I've fact checked enough lists to know that these lists can be faulty. But there are also going to be some that DID die from the vaccine. Even if HALF or a QUARTER of the people died from vaccine injuries, that's significant. The entire point of this thread is because ONE SIDE REFUSES TO DISCUSS IT as though it doesn't exist. We know KNOW FOR CERTAIN, medically, scientifically, pathologically that people are dying from these vaccines. And half the idjits out there don't want to hear it. And if you bring up the topic they're triggered into trying to stop the discussion. These people are nuts and need to sit down and be quiet.
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Post by quantumcomics on Jan 4, 2023 12:32:17 GMT -8
You keep implying ( right on the edge of flatly stating it ) that the vaccine is causing issues. When the recent issue with the NFL payer happened I immediately knew you would be posting and implying here that it was caused by the vaccine. I asked for proof and it was a rhetorical question more or less because so far there is none. Do I think that there are people who may have had adverse effects from the vaccine? Absolutely, there are a small percentage of people who suffer adverse effects from the polio vaccine as well. That doesn't mean it's not safe and hasn't saved countless lives. Does your concern for bias spread to Liberal media as well, or do you only point out when someone posts a link to something that goes against your belief system? You've trolled me for years and have never made a substantial post addressing the meat and potatoes of THE MESSAGE once to my knowledge. All you have continually done is attack THE MESSENGER. Is that why you came here from your own site? What I'm 'implying', if anything, is neutral ground. It can be discussed to ANYONE who wants to discuss it and the facts. I have never once stated in a single post NOT to take the vaccine. I'm a sucker for the underdog on any day of the week and on any topic, and in this case the underdogs are people who were suckered into taking this vaccine without being given a clear understand of the potential side effects. My friends and family were affected. They were injured. Some died. Some have lasting injuries. I'm doing this to spread awareness of the things the MEDIA IS NOT SHARING so that people can make a better educated decision. The media has CENSORED the discussion. Even you are now seeing that. It was a long uphill battle but now everyone can see it. I just happened to see it ahead of most, over 2 years ago. I'm asking you again: WHAT DO YOU WANT PROOF OF? All you do is discuss the people involved in the discussion and not the topic itself. Make your points discussion worthy or f*@k off. First off I am NOT Meta and I have not been trolling you for years, I only know of you from the CGC boards, I do not KNOW you in any way other than that. What I would like PROOF of is actual case study showing the vaccine CAUSING the issues you've happily been spreading around. I don't appreciate being told to F off as I'm sure you wouldn't, especially considering the embarrassing way you constantly crow about how "right" you were when you haven't shown anything ( aside from conjecture and "news" sources that would make the National Enquirer blush ) that you are, in fact, correct.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 4, 2023 12:50:58 GMT -8
Does your concern for bias spread to Liberal media as well, or do you only point out when someone posts a link to something that goes against your belief system? First off I am NOT Meta and I have not been trolling you for years, I only know of you from the CGC boards, I do not KNOW you in any way other than that. What I would like PROOF of is actual case study showing the vaccine CAUSING the issues you've happily been spreading around. I don't appreciate being told to F off as I'm sure you wouldn't, especially considering the embarrassing way you constantly crow about how "right" you were when you haven't shown anything ( aside from conjecture and "news" sources that would make the National Enquirer blush ) that you are, in fact, correct. Actually, if I deserved it I'd totally appreciate it. Even though you continue to remain anonymous and have a habit of just attacking me while adding nothing substantive to the discussion, I'm going to give you the proof you're asking for. I posted this a couple of weeks ago on this forum in the Covid thread. You might have missed it: the-comic-book-forum.boards.net/thread/1532/coronavirus-covid-19?page=72&scrollTo=94261"Myocarditis can be a potentially lethal complication following mRNA-based anti Sars-COV-2 vaccination"
- German cardiologist society
Definitive pathological evidence from autopsy showing death from "mild" myocarditis induced from Covid-19 mRNA vaccines.
Quote below is from the "Show more" info section below the video summarising the video - includes link to study (published and peer reviewed)
"Our findings establish the histological phenotype of lethal vaccination-associated myocarditis.
"Standardized autopsies were performed on 25 persons who were found unexpectedly dead at home within 20 days following SARS-CoV-2 vaccination"THIS IS NOT A LEFT OR RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORY. It's the German Cardiologist Society definitively proving through autopsy that people died from Myocarditis induced by the vaccines. The video does a great job explaining the details in easy to understand fashion for simpletons like you and me. Is this good enough for you, or do you need to see it on CNN as well for it to really be scientific enough for you? EDITED: Campbell provides links to all his points UNDER the video on the YouTube page for the scientists who like to read.
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Post by quantumcomics on Jan 4, 2023 13:16:50 GMT -8
Not sure why you consider disagreeing with you as "attacking" you, odd. Well, a whole 25 person study...I'm sold!
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 4, 2023 13:31:46 GMT -8
Not sure why you consider disagreeing with you as "attacking" you, odd. Well, a whole 25 person study...I'm sold! It's not 'disagreeing' if you don't ever add anything substantial in your replies except trying to attack the messenger. If you knew how weak the information was for all the draconian pandemic measures politicians instituted, and how weak and poorly done the studies actually were you'd sit quietly and be afraid to speak. I just provided you with a legitimate study IN CRAYON providing SCIENTIFIC PROOF that will likely be the basis for change around the world that EVERY scientist worth their salt would say is credible, and you fluffed it off like it was Saturday morning cartoons. If you're dismissing this off the cuff, you wouldn't recognize real information if it fell on you. How ignorant.
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Post by quantumcomics on Jan 4, 2023 13:58:59 GMT -8
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 4, 2023 16:33:12 GMT -8
As long as you are cognizant that JH is NOT discounting any and all side effects, and the commentary you are using as support for your position is no more or less than repeating the position and commentary of FDA and CDC publication, and JH has not and have not contributed in any manner to any official statements published by CDC and/or FDA, and that BY LAW, as a Healthcare Facility that accepts and treats Federal Funded healthcare insurance recipients, has a legal duty to comply with the requirements of CDC and/or FDA. It is of some importance to note that only 2 COVID Vaccines have progressed past the EUA status, to full FDA approval. JH is not endorsing any position, save that data indicates the benefits of the vaccines outweigh the risks at this juncture. There are many questions and continuous evaluation, and the learning curve is not close to conclusive evidence, and some Fed funded research studies are designed to be ongoing for periods exceeding 10 years. What is the "proof" you seek? Endorsement of a position? It is not available. Silencing the position of individuals that question and question and read and read and openly post for the benefit of anyone interested in withholding their condemnation of other opinions at odds with your opinion? It is not available at this time. Unqualified adherence to the official position of FDA and/or CDC concerning COVID vaccines? It is not available at this time. Would you consider that CMMS has something to say about the subject? If so, would you consider that audit adjudication at this time is only 47% complete for FFS COVID Billings, since March 2020? Why would that be? Truth in editing: Removed an unnecessary "m".
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 4, 2023 20:20:19 GMT -8
JH is not endorsing any position, save that data indicates the benefits of the vaccines outweigh the risks at this juncture. I haven't yet read the links but feel this is important to reply to. The vaccines outweigh the risks at this juncture FOR SOME. Not for all.If you're old, unhealthy or have co-morbidities and health issues, then yes. But we have known since 2020 that the risks of severe illness and/or death to young healthy people from Covid-19 are extremely small. So small that it's basically zero. We have known since late 2021 that the risks from the vaccine are increasing as we learn more about them. By late 2021 we started to realize that the benefits from the vaccine may not or did not necessarily outweigh the risks IN HEALTHY YOUNG PEOPLE. This is why BMJ's Journal of Medical Ethics (BMJ is one of the most respected medical journals in the world) has just released a publication stating (and I do quote): jme.bmj.com/content/early/2022/12/05/jme-2022-108449"Our estimate shows that university COVID-19 vaccine mandates are likely to cause net expected harms to young healthy adults—for each hospitalisation averted we estimate approximately 18.5 SAEs and 1430–4626 disruptions of daily activities—that is not outweighed by a proportionate public health benefit. Serious COVID-19 vaccine-associated harms are not adequately compensated for by current US vaccine injury systems. As such, these severe infringements of individual liberty and human rights are ethically unjustifiable. Mandates are also associated with wider social harms."------------------------------------------------------------------------Here is Australia's former top doctor (she used to run the Australian Medical Association) who once scorned people for NOT taking the vaccine, now is asking for more research on vaccine adverse effects - after both her and her partner were injured by the vaccines. What a hypocrite. Karma is a Biznatch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- At this point, even MEDICAL MAINSTREAM is starting to catch on and admit that these vaccines cause more harm than good to some parts of society. You have to be wilfully blind, politically biased or just completely ignorant and a buffoon to try to argue otherwise. Or you're sadistic and enjoy making people suffer and die because that's what nazis did. But you can no longer say it's just a 'conspiracy theory' You CAN make the case that it's a conspiracy now.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 4, 2023 20:26:16 GMT -8
You didn't provide anything, unless you think a study of 25 people is "evidence". I can't link anything from the CDC because to you they are "corrupt", "lying" or both. So how about these? I'm going to reply to your points one at a time so we don't get confused. This is not a "study" They did an autopsy in 25 people who "died suddenly". The autopsy was performed by highly trained pathologists whose job is to determine pathology. Of the 25 people who died suddenly 17 or 19 (I can't remember the exact number) were proven to have died of myocarditis caused by vaccination. This is science at it's highest level. Not politically biased. You can spin it all you want but it's physical proof that the vaccines have killed people. For fu@k's sakes, even Pfizer's own clinical trials prove the vaccines have side effects and may even cause death you dork. They just refuse to release the results for public peer review and for now we have to trust that their numbers are not fudged, which they in all likelihood are as there is controversy over the quality of their phase 3 clinical trials.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 4, 2023 20:53:58 GMT -8
I know Johns Hopkins isn't as reliable a source as Glenn Greenwald or the Epoch Times, but this is what I was able to find. You don't seem to understand how information works. I don't trust everything I read from anyone. I read stuff from all sides but I share things that I think seem to pass the test using common sense, reason and logic. I'm not perfect but I don't willingly share bad information. I gravitate towards Glen Greenwald because I think he is a thorough, reasonable and logical reporter. He has ALL of his facts straight when he releases something and it's usually bulletproof. Which can not be said for CNN or any other major news network. Comparing someone like GG to CNN is like comparing War and Peace to the National Enquirer. One work stands the test of the time. The other doesn't. When I quote the Epoch Times, I'm aware of their bias and I proof read what they post to make sure it's reasonable. There is a LOT from the Epoch Times that I don't post because it's unreasonable or heavily biased. You just don't see the stuff I choose not to post. ------------------------------- But here is the main point - my loyalty is not towards any publication. It's to the what I believe to be truthful based on reason, logic and common sense. If I post a link to a publication, it's because that publication has what I feel is a truthful message in an easy to convey package for public consumption. And yes, I think John Hopkins is a good place to find information. Did you know they published a study that shows that 30% of Covid deaths could have been stopped by simply supplementing with Vitamin D? www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24053-4 Researchers at Johns Hopkins University used data from more than 600,000 U.S. veterans, which were recorded in the Veterans Administration Corporate's electronic health records. The data related to the period 2019 and 2020.
Supplementation with vitamin D3 also reduced the likelihood of death due to Covid-19. The veterans who took a vitamin D3 supplement had 33 percent less chance of dying from Covid-19 than the veterans who did not take vitamin D.So I have a question for you: How do you feel about that?
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Post by theCapraAegagrus on Jan 5, 2023 3:47:12 GMT -8
The vaccines outweigh the risks at this juncture FOR SOME. Not for all.
Careful, now. That's basically all I've been saying for 3 years, and been labeled an "anti-vaxxer", "killer by proxy", etc. God forbid people retain their autonomy.
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 5, 2023 5:33:52 GMT -8
JH is not endorsing any position, save that data indicates the benefits of the vaccines outweigh the risks at this juncture. I haven't yet read the links but feel this is important to reply to. The vaccines outweigh the risks at this juncture FOR SOME. Not for all.If you're old, unhealthy or have co-morbidities and health issues, then yes. But we have known since 2020 that the risks of severe illness and/or death to young healthy people from Covid-19 are extremely small. So small that it's basically zero. We have known since late 2021 that the risks from the vaccine are increasing as we learn more about them. By late 2021 we started to realize that the benefits from the vaccine may not or did not necessarily outweigh the risks IN HEALTHY YOUNG PEOPLE. This is why BMJ's Journal of Medical Ethics (BMJ is one of the most respected medical journals in the world) has just released a publication stating (and I do quote): jme.bmj.com/content/early/2022/12/05/jme-2022-108449"Our estimate shows that university COVID-19 vaccine mandates are likely to cause net expected harms to young healthy adults—for each hospitalisation averted we estimate approximately 18.5 SAEs and 1430–4626 disruptions of daily activities—that is not outweighed by a proportionate public health benefit. Serious COVID-19 vaccine-associated harms are not adequately compensated for by current US vaccine injury systems. As such, these severe infringements of individual liberty and human rights are ethically unjustifiable. Mandates are also associated with wider social harms."------------------------------------------------------------------------Here is Australia's former top doctor (she used to run the Australian Medical Association) who once scorned people for NOT taking the vaccine, now is asking for more research on vaccine adverse effects - after both her and her partner were injured by the vaccines. What a hypocrite. Karma is a Biznatch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- At this point, even MEDICAL MAINSTREAM is starting to catch on and admit that these vaccines cause more harm than good to some parts of society. You have to be wilfully blind, politically biased or just completely ignorant and a buffoon to try to argue otherwise. Or you're sadistic and enjoy making people suffer and die because that's what nazis did. But you can no longer say it's just a 'conspiracy theory' You CAN make the case that it's a conspiracy now. Re. "FOR SOME. Not for all."....Context, and not part of a post, is important, instead of implying a thrust of a Post.
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 5, 2023 5:38:19 GMT -8
The vaccines outweigh the risks at this juncture FOR SOME. Not for all.
Careful, now. That's basically all I've been saying for 3 years, and been labeled an "anti-vaxxer", "killer by proxy", etc. God forbid people retain their autonomy.
Careful now, no Data has ever indicated the benefits outweigh the risks for all, and actually in foot notes every Study that produced Data indicate that the risk does outweigh the benefits in certain categories of underlying medical issues and age. That is still the situation worldwide.
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