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Post by Shadow Moon on Jan 7, 2019 13:07:57 GMT -8
www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/444990-fake-labelsfraud-books/"CBCS Comics 2 hrs · Be careful on books that you might be purchasing! We just received a big run of high value, graded books (graded by another company) with fake labels and inner wells. The books appeared to be correctly sealed, but upon closer inspection, the labels were not genuine. These could have been in the market a while or a new scam but we want collectors to be careful when buying. Recommendations…….if it seems too good to be true, it probably is."
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Post by Stu on Jan 7, 2019 16:22:10 GMT -8
Pics or it didn't happen.
(Not you Watcher, CBCS)
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Post by Shadow Moon on Jan 7, 2019 18:43:03 GMT -8
"CBCS Comics Hey all, we want to address the concerns mentioned throughout this thread. We didn’t post pictures of the labels because we do not want to put other companies down. We realize security is important for all grading services and this was only to inform collectors to be careful. Look up the serial numbers of each book you have and make sure the grade corresponds to the book in your hand, The grades and serial numbers on the books we received, didn’t match up. " I don't know how to link the comment but its in there. |
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Post by Shadow Moon on Jan 8, 2019 8:52:10 GMT -8
" Robert Beerbohm Earlier in the morning I talked with the fellow who bought the collection which had half a dozen of this fake slab label on them. He also bought many other issues now at CBCS Comics for certification. Known him 50 years now.
I also know the guy who sold them to the guy who bought them. Known him 45+ years now. He told me what and who he sold them to a few weeks before the recent Dallas Fantasy Fair. The guy who sold them is a collector, not a dealer by any stretch of imagination.
Was a bit surprised to see this being sort of discussed here. Steve Borock and/or more likely one of his worker bees scoped out the inventory control numbers and found some did not fit.
The collector bought his books at shows, not via mails. Not eBay, not from the auction houses. At shows one on one with the sellers he dealt with.
I am a bit surprised to see this post here sort of talking about this.
I think the head's up warning here to be spot on. Simply get in to the habit of double checking, is all. Big bucks attracts stuff like this.
The guy who bought them I sold a van load of comics today.
He brought it up in almost passing when I happened to have brought up the JIM 83 CGC switch out eBay auction scenario now making the rounds over there in that arrogant cesspool they call "boards"
Now over inside CGC Comics they are attacking CBCS Comics as well as Steve Borock personally assuming CGC is the company in question not pausing to actually absorb the words of this warning.
CGC Comics thought their company was going to become monopoly in the cert field. Then CBCS came on the set. I applaud CBCS Comic Book Certification Service instituting ethics back in to the collecting world. I am going to FBI soon over the owner of CGC. He will rue the day......
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Post by Stu on Jan 8, 2019 10:09:30 GMT -8
 Beerbomb, he's an . He won't even admit he's been banned from the CGC Board which is why he turned on them.
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Post by Shadow Moon on Jan 8, 2019 10:24:01 GMT -8
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Post by Stu on Jan 8, 2019 10:40:16 GMT -8
Yeah he really over that guy that bought those pulps from him. |
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Post by Shadow Moon on Jan 8, 2019 12:02:15 GMT -8
" Phillip James Robert Beerbohm CBCS posting something like this publicly is serious. Then there’s no info, pics, and details on the targeted books.
Making a vague statement to check serial numbers, something everyone buying expensive slabs should be doing anyhow.
Really hope CBCS and the company in question get on the same page and get more details released. We are all in this hobby together no matter who grades the book.
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Robert Beerbohm I mostly agree. It is not my place to name names as it were as CBCS, the buyer and the seller are all honest good folks. Over in the swamp cesspool "boards" of the arrogant monopoly bent company there is a "general" thread which has a few lost souls beside themselves in speculative nonsense. I just happened to find out well before I knew of this FB posting and/or the thread in other company's "general" board.
Knowing of said details, knowing both the collector seller who went thru a hurricane and sold the heart of his Golden Age collection of a couple hundred godd stuff issues, the buyer who bought many more books than the half dozen which have false labels, as well as the CBCS Comics crew who are honest ethical comics souls also, I fully properly see the warning to double check one's slabbed holdings.
Maybe this CBCS warning in and of itself will cause the perp to at least stop. The collector bought his comics at shows. Who ever made these false label slabs appears to be not selling via internet & mails. Appears to be too smart for that.
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Post by Stu on Jan 8, 2019 15:55:46 GMT -8
Thanks for posting those!
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Post by Shadow Moon on Jan 9, 2019 10:17:49 GMT -8
" Robert Beerbohm CBCS Comics, if I may, I also have honest concerns about our beloved hobby. Contrary to who some choose to psycho-babble in CGC's "boards" I have never been against 3rd party certification. My view of the place some of you used to manage and run is summed up with All Star #8.
I had learned from the seller (a 45+ year friend) back in mid November he had sold part of the heart of his beloved collection. I was selling to him many decades ago.
Out of 200+ comics my understanding half a dozen had the false labels. Your head's up warning is spot on. As the prices keep escalating on certain comics the greed of some lost souls subsumes their ethics. I would watch out some one(s) seeking to counterfeit your label as well.
Lots of sales happen at shows nationwide. I knew dealers who only wanted to do shows, no internet sales. Keeps such a misguided evil perp low off the radar.
Coins dealers with this sad fact for some time. It is good you have shone some light. Facts help also, but is not my call to shed such light. I spoke up here late Monday night when a friend called me, go look at CGC and CBCS threads. Why I ask? Self-explanatory he replied.
I saw ("nut job") swamp things trashing my friend Steve Borock in the "general" thread some one started there yesterday which caused me to post what I did here in my own reply. Then some one copy pasted my post here to place in there. All I can say is All Star #8. I am never going away.
Comic Book Store Wars will be finally finished soon. More important, my oldest daughter survived 11 surgeries 2009-2016. I was otherwise distracted saving her life.
I thank again every one who helped us via many venues as this father got a bit frantic I could not lose her if humanly possible. Drove me a bit crazy when it was darkest hanging in ICU recovery rooms for years. Good to say now, she is in healing mode and taken back over most all her life she had been admirably before this all happened.
I am so glad CBCS opened up for biz. Ethics began to come back in to the certification trip which sees that other firm observing 20th anniv next month in Feb.
Pirate labels (which will increase as prices keep rising), obvious long time rampant shilling to jack GPA numbers, other issues, need constant light shone.
Hope this partial explanation is OK placed here.
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Post by copperagekids on Jan 9, 2019 16:39:11 GMT -8
This explains a lot, at least as far as Berbohm is concerned... though I am still unsure of what to believe WRT the statement posted by CBCS. Without pictures of faked slabs, it is hard to put much stock into the statement issued by CBCS. That said, I do not believe that Borock is the sort that would create a narrative to smear CGC in order to better CBCS's narket share, or any other reason. In short, I think Borock is solid and very trustworthy. OTOH, Beerbohm's bias against CGC has always been clear to me, and it always struck me as unnerving and distasteful. I knew Beerbohm was banned from the CGC Forums, didn't know why. Beerbohm posted on CBCS's forums or elsewhere , not sure where, only that it wasnt on the CGC Forums...that CGC damaged a high end GA book of his and did not pay out for the damage; CGC denied they damaged the book (all of this is according to Beerbohm)....that is why I thought he was banned. Knowing that Beerbohm screwed a collector out of thousands of dollars of pulps pretty much renders anything he says to be worthless. So, Beerbohm's input on CBCS's statement is effectively worth dick and balls. Unless Beerbohm follows up what he posts with concrete proof.he can keep on screaming into the wind like a lunatic. Or he can suck a bag of dicks, for all I care. Beerbohm's word at best, should be taken with a heaping spoonful of salt. |
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Post by copperagekids on Jan 9, 2019 17:30:52 GMT -8
" Robert Beerbohm CBCS Comics, if I may, I also have honest concerns about our beloved hobby. Contrary to who some choose to psycho-babble in CGC's "boards" I have never been against 3rd party certification. My view of the place some of you used to manage and run is summed up with All Star #8. I had learned from the seller (a 45+ year friend) back in mid November he had sold part of the heart of his beloved collection. I was selling to him many decades ago. Out of 200+ comics my understanding half a dozen had the false labels. Your head's up warning is spot on. As the prices keep escalating on certain comics the greed of some lost souls subsumes their ethics. I would watch out some one(s) seeking to counterfeit your label as well. Lots of sales happen at shows nationwide. I knew dealers who only wanted to do shows, no internet sales. Keeps such a misguided evil perp low off the radar. Coins dealers with this sad fact for some time. It is good you have shone some light. Facts help also, but is not my call to shed such light. I spoke up here late Monday night when a friend called me, go look at CGC and CBCS threads. Why I ask? Self-explanatory he replied. I saw ("nut job") swamp things trashing my friend Steve Borock in the "general" thread some one started there yesterday which caused me to post what I did here in my own reply. Then some one copy pasted my post here to place in there. All I can say is All Star #8. I am never going away. Comic Book Store Wars will be finally finished soon. More important, my oldest daughter survived 11 surgeries 2009-2016. I was otherwise distracted saving her life. I thank again every one who helped us via many venues as this father got a bit frantic I could not lose her if humanly possible. Drove me a bit crazy when it was darkest hanging in ICU recovery rooms for years. Good to say now, she is in healing mode and taken back over most all her life she had been admirably before this all happened. I am so glad CBCS opened up for biz. Ethics began to come back in to the certification trip which sees that other firm observing 20th anniv next month in Feb. Pirate labels (which will increase as prices keep rising), obvious long time rampant shilling to jack GPA numbers, other issues, need constant light shone. Hope this partial explanation is OK placed here. Manage Like · Reply · 8h " I gotta take back what I said about the qoutes by Beerbohm explaining much. I read the quotes of Beerbohm's that you posted, thinking that they were taken from a conversation between Beerbohm and yourself (or maybe a someone else other than yourself) that took place on Facebook. It is all just Beerbohm ranting on his own Facebook wall, it is not a conversation with anyone.😂🤣🤣 Here is the link to the qoutes you posted earlier , they are much easier to read in unqouted format: m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10215936820206547&id=1628305954Highlight has to be Beerbohm talking about going to the FBI, to bust the head of CGC. Another highlight is the way that Beerbohm refers to RMA as "nut job swamp thing". I found that link by googling his name, and turning up his FB page. The first hit under his name is a Wikapedia page; which reads to me as if Beerbohm spent a good amount of time writing in a third person narrative. No doubt about it, Beerbohm is a sad individual. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_BeerbohmNot much else to add, other than that none of this seems to clear up a damn thing as far as CBCS's warning PSA post is concerned. Oh, and that I have just pissed away 30 minutes of my life that I am never going to get back. |
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Post by Stu on Jan 9, 2019 17:44:57 GMT -8
OTOH, Beerbohm's bias against CGC has always been clear to me, and it always struck me as unnerving and distasteful. I knew Beerbohm was banned from the CGC Forums, didn't know why. Beerbohm posted on CBCS's forums or elsewhere , not sure where, only that it wasnt on the CGC Forums...that CGC damaged a high end GA book of his and did not pay out for the damage; CGC denied they damaged the book (all of this is according to Beerbohm)....that is why I thought he was banned. |
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Post by Shadow Moon on Jan 9, 2019 17:49:07 GMT -8
This explains a lot, at least as far as Berbohm is concerned... though I am still unsure of what to believe WRT the statement posted by CBCS. Without pictures of faked slabs, it is hard to put much stock into the statement issued by CBCS. That said, I do not believe that Borock is the sort that would create a narrative to smear CGC in order to better CBCS's narket share, or any other reason. In short, I think Borock is solid and very trustworthy. OTOH, Beerbohm's bias against CGC has always been clear to me, and it always struck me as unnerving and distasteful. I knew Beerbohm was banned from the CGC Forums, didn't know why. Beerbohm posted on CBCS's forums or elsewhere , not sure where, only that it wasnt on the CGC Forums...that CGC damaged a high end GA book of his and did not pay out for the damage; CGC denied they damaged the book (all of this is according to Beerbohm)....that is why I thought he was banned. Knowing that Beerbohm screwed a collector out of thousands of dollars of pulps pretty much renders anything he says to be worthless. So, Beerbohm's input on CBCS's statement is effectively worth dick and balls. Unless Beerbohm follows up what he posts with concrete proof.he can keep on screaming into the wind like a lunatic. Or he can suck a bag of dicks, for all I care. Beerbohm's word at best, should be taken with a heaping spoonful of salt. " That said, I do not believe that Borock is the sort that would create a narrative to smear CGC in order to better CBCS's narket share, or any other reason. In short, I think Borock is solid and very trustworthy. " No offense but you must not have been around during CGC's early days. Go read up on Steve Borock and undisclosed pressing. |
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Post by Stu on Jan 9, 2019 18:03:33 GMT -8
OTOH, Beerbohm's bias against CGC has always been clear to me, and it always struck me as unnerving and distasteful. I knew Beerbohm was banned from the CGC Forums, didn't know why. Beerbohm posted on CBCS's forums or elsewhere , not sure where, only that it wasnt on the CGC Forums...that CGC damaged a high end GA book of his and did not pay out for the damage; CGC denied they damaged the book (all of this is according to Beerbohm)....that is why I thought he was banned. Actually this is the one before that one. www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/185014-comics-amp-life/ |
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Beerbomb, he's an 