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Post by Jimmers Nice Guy on Jun 25, 2019 12:01:05 GMT -8
He's not the only one. linkCertification InformationCertification #: 1990155010 Title: Batman Issue: 50 Issue Date: 9/18 Issue Year: 2018 Publisher: D.C. Comics Grade: 9.8 Total Graded At: 7 Page Quality: WHITE Grade Date: 09/07/2018Variant: Sketch Edition Category: Modern Art Comments: King story, Janín, García-López, Cloonan, Fabok, Miller, Bermejo, Adams, Daniel, Conner, Albuquerque, Kubert, Key Comments: Sale, Pope, Gerads, Mann, Templeton, Jones, Finch, Lee, Capullo & Weeks art Partial blank cover. Grader Notes: None Available Keeping that generic family photo that comes with the picture frame makes more sense than this. Hahahahahaha!Off topic,but whenever I see old ones,say seventies,eighties era in a thrift store I keep them like that and put them up around the flat.
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jun 25, 2019 12:42:49 GMT -8
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Post by steveinthecity on Jun 25, 2019 15:47:27 GMT -8
With apologies to the person that paid for this and owns the book.
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Post by steveinthecity on Jun 25, 2019 15:55:45 GMT -8
Question(assuming CGC has a Quality Control person look at the books prior to being shipped out): Is it possible the Newton Rings don't appear immediately after or during encapsulation? I can't imagine someone looking past this and giving an "ok".
I realize it's the end result that matters, but wondering if it's something that happens after a certain time frame, even if that's just a few hours.
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Post by 50 Fiddy on Jun 26, 2019 18:40:22 GMT -8
I don't know anything about the process and I'm no plastic scientist , but I would think it's similar to when you put two pieces of mylar together. The rainbow effect/oily look appears almost immediately.
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Post by 50 Fiddy on Jun 26, 2019 18:42:31 GMT -8
The Newton Rings don't bother me too much since the slab will wind up sitting in a box for the remainder of it's life. If I can get a slab with Newton Rings at a price that is lower than books in the same condition without the rings then it's a Win-Win for me.
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Post by steveinthecity on Jun 26, 2019 18:57:31 GMT -8
The Newton Rings don't bother me too much since the slab will wind up sitting in a box for the remainder of it's life. If I can get a slab with Newton Rings at a price that is lower than books in the same condition without the rings then it's a Win-Win for me. Yeah, I think if it was a really good deal I'd at least consider it. Could always get a re-holder at some later point. I don't know anything about the process and I'm no plastic scientist , but I would think it's similar to when you put two pieces of mylar together. The rainbow effect/oily look appears almost immediately. We need a new grading company with a more focused approach to providing quality service and product. Having a cap on accepting submissions to maintain those two things and build greater customer confidence along the way. I think Organic Squishee hit on this very thing just a few days ago. As long as I'm making a wish list, why couldn't the pricing tiers be simplified? Are there differing costs/time involved in grading books from 1952, 1972, or 1992? Maybe the tiers are related to insurance costs?
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Post by 50 Fiddy on Jun 27, 2019 6:13:43 GMT -8
The Newton Rings don't bother me too much since the slab will wind up sitting in a box for the remainder of it's life. If I can get a slab with Newton Rings at a price that is lower than books in the same condition without the rings then it's a Win-Win for me. Yeah, I think if it was a really good deal I'd at least consider it. Could always get a re-holder at some later point. I don't know anything about the process and I'm no plastic scientist , but I would think it's similar to when you put two pieces of mylar together. The rainbow effect/oily look appears almost immediately. We need a new grading company with a more focused approach to providing quality service and product. Having a cap on accepting submissions to maintain those two things and build greater customer confidence along the way. I think Organic Squishee hit on this very thing just a few days ago. As long as I'm making a wish list, why couldn't the pricing tiers be simplified? Are there differing costs/time involved in grading books from 1952, 1972, or 1992? Maybe the tiers are related to insurance costs? With companies focusing on generating sales and profit, it's going to be difficult for them to put a cap on submissions to ensure they put out quality product unless their focus is to serve the comic community and forego any potential future profits. There was a grading company a few years back that tried to pride themselves with serving a higher end collector, but that company got hammered early in their growth due to concerns about their practices. I agree with you on the pricing tiers for books. I would love to see them roll back the dates on some of tiers. I know CGC did this some time ago, but I would prefer a tier for Gold, Silver, and Bronze to current books plus another tier for higher valued books.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 6:50:51 GMT -8
The Newton Rings don't bother me too much since the slab will wind up sitting in a box for the remainder of it's life. If I can get a slab with Newton Rings at a price that is lower than books in the same condition without the rings then it's a Win-Win for me. Yeah, I think if it was a really good deal I'd at least consider it. Could always get a re-holder at some later point. I don't know anything about the process and I'm no plastic scientist , but I would think it's similar to when you put two pieces of mylar together. The rainbow effect/oily look appears almost immediately. We need a new grading company with a more focused approach to providing quality service and product. Having a cap on accepting submissions to maintain those two things and build greater customer confidence along the way. I think Organic Squishee hit on this very thing just a few days ago. As long as I'm making a wish list, why couldn't the pricing tiers be simplified? Are there differing costs/time involved in grading books from 1952, 1972, or 1992? Maybe the tiers are related to insurance costs? CGC claims their tiers are related to insurance costs, but it is my (admittedly lay) opinion that this is a smokescreen they use to deflect complaints and justify their cash grab. I cannot fathom why, when they have millions of dollars in property at their facility at any one time, that whomever insures them would make some sort of cost difference between a $300 book being damaged and a $3000 book being damaged. CGC obviously does not pay a "per claim value" price for their policy. It's why blanket policies exist. The reality is, it doesn't take more time to grade a comic from 1952 (32 pages) than it does a comic from 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 7:23:51 GMT -8
Yeah, I think if it was a really good deal I'd at least consider it. Could always get a re-holder at some later point. We need a new grading company with a more focused approach to providing quality service and product. Having a cap on accepting submissions to maintain those two things and build greater customer confidence along the way. I think Organic Squishee hit on this very thing just a few days ago. As long as I'm making a wish list, why couldn't the pricing tiers be simplified? Are there differing costs/time involved in grading books from 1952, 1972, or 1992? Maybe the tiers are related to insurance costs? With companies focusing on generating sales and profit, it's going to be difficult for them to put a cap on submissions to ensure they put out quality product unless their focus is to serve the comic community and forego any potential future profits. Caps on submissions would only be temporary. It is my belief that such temporary caps...along with a subsequent "re-opening" promise date (and strictly disciplined fulfillment of that promise)...would act like the "sold out" in other commerce, and create more demand...you can't get what you want right now...rather than have a detrimental effect. "We will grade this for you...but we're not going to take your property, and then sit on it because we have too much." As it exists now, the current grading companies take in, irrespective of capacity, and this results in customer frustration. I recently spoke to a person in a senior position in one of the companies, and received the "people don't have any idea how long we work!" complaint...I did not point out that that complaint isn't valid, and that they should be actively turning away further business until they "caught up", so as not to put so much pressure on employees and the company...because that line of thinking is foreign to all of them.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Jun 27, 2019 12:46:35 GMT -8
I created a video which summarizes this thread.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Jun 27, 2019 12:54:43 GMT -8
I also posted it over at CGC in their Newton Ring announcement thread. linkWe'll see what happens. The last time I posted a video, they deleted the entire thread and then created an announcement filled with BS. Deletion of CGC New Case ThreadHopefully, they've learned something since then.
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Post by 50 Fiddy on Jun 27, 2019 16:23:52 GMT -8
Wow, nice job Ditch. I wonder how long they're going to keep that up before they delete it. on the plug for your site.
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Post by 50 Fiddy on Jun 27, 2019 16:36:33 GMT -8
Yeah, I think if it was a really good deal I'd at least consider it. Could always get a re-holder at some later point. We need a new grading company with a more focused approach to providing quality service and product. Having a cap on accepting submissions to maintain those two things and build greater customer confidence along the way. I think Organic Squishee hit on this very thing just a few days ago. As long as I'm making a wish list, why couldn't the pricing tiers be simplified? Are there differing costs/time involved in grading books from 1952, 1972, or 1992? Maybe the tiers are related to insurance costs? CGC claims their tiers are related to insurance costs, but it is my (admittedly lay) opinion that this is a smokescreen they use to deflect complaints and justify their cash grab. I cannot fathom why, when they have millions of dollars in property at their facility at any one time, that whomever insures them would make some sort of cost difference between a $300 book being damaged and a $3000 book being damaged. CGC obviously does not pay a "per claim value" price for their policy. It's why blanket policies exist. The reality is, it doesn't take more time to grade a comic from 1952 (32 pages) than it does a comic from 2012. I agree that it's just a cash grab for them. I can see an older book taking a little more time to grade than a new book, but not a significant amount of time unless the book is brittle or has some very serious structural issues.
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Post by steveinthecity on Jun 27, 2019 21:50:07 GMT -8
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