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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Aug 1, 2018 15:32:47 GMT -8
A close up look at a CCS full press.
No so good.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Aug 1, 2018 16:37:03 GMT -8
Doesn't look like that book was pressed to begin with
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Aug 3, 2018 10:08:17 GMT -8
Doesn't look like that book was pressed to begin with I bet the billing process went off without a hitch. As for the owner's press job- Sure, it looked better. Let it sit for a month or so and record it again. I read somewhere that someone had a book (a customer's, iirc- Could have been their own) that had a defect 'return', requiring another press. I hope that wasn't one of those $200 convention presses. I have to wonder if any of those (and any comic with similar treatment by anyone) are graded 9.8 or 9.6 through fast track , only to revert back to whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 8:37:34 GMT -8
I wonder how many pricey key issues have been ruined by amateur pressings? I am not a fan of pressing, still think it IS restoration because moisture & heat are applied directly to the comic, but...if professionally done and I am unable to tell, then I can live with it. I do have an issue with pressed comics that lay too flat/crushed spine area. Is there a way to press properly without crushing the spine?? IMO a NM comic is near perfect with the spine flared just enough to appear that it was just plucked from the newsstand.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Aug 9, 2018 8:40:23 GMT -8
I wonder how many pricey key issues have been ruined by amateur pressings? I am not a fan of pressing, still think it IS restoration because moisture & heat are applied directly to the comic, but...if professionally done and I am unable to tell, then I can live with it. I do have an issue with pressed comics that lay too flat/crushed spine area. Is there a way to press properly without crushing the spine?? IMO a NM comic is near perfect with the spine flared just enough to appear that it was just plucked from the newsstand. Absolutely. I call that the 'spine bloom.' And yes, there are tons of people out there ruining books because they don't know what they're doing. Sad really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 9:08:18 GMT -8
I wonder how many pricey key issues have been ruined by amateur pressings? I am not a fan of pressing, still think it IS restoration because moisture & heat are applied directly to the comic, but...if professionally done and I am unable to tell, then I can live with it. I do have an issue with pressed comics that lay too flat/crushed spine area. Is there a way to press properly without crushing the spine?? IMO a NM comic is near perfect with the spine flared just enough to appear that it was just plucked from the newsstand. Absolutely. I call that the 'spine bloom.' And yes, there are tons of people out there ruining books because they don't know what they're doing. Sad really. I just recently obtained a 1980's collection in NM and the spines all retained that healthy spine bloom. Makes me wonder why comics that are too extremely flat qualify for a NM condition grade?
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Aug 9, 2018 9:34:50 GMT -8
Absolutely. I call that the 'spine bloom.' And yes, there are tons of people out there ruining books because they don't know what they're doing. Sad really. I just recently obtained a 1980's collection in NM and the spines all retained that healthy spine bloom. Makes me wonder why comics that are too extremely flat qualify for a NM condition grade? Me too. And certainly not anything above NM. It's one of the many ways one can tell if a book may have been pressed. Whether a book has been improperly pressed, or improperly stored, I think the lack of a 'spine bloom' should count against the grade for certain era books. Unfortunately, the grading companies disagree (or as best as one can tell without a published specification).
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Post by Jeffro on Aug 9, 2018 10:18:08 GMT -8
I wish the comic grading companies had taken into account from the beginning centering, like the sports card grading industry does. It would be much harder to do it for comics. I also don't like the "production error" excuse (for stuff like printers creases) that gives them the out to just not take that into account when assigning a grade.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Aug 9, 2018 10:37:55 GMT -8
I wish the comic grading companies had taken into account from the beginning centering, like the sports card grading industry does. It would be much harder to do it for comics. I also don't like the "production error" excuse (for stuff like printers creases) that gives them the out to just not take that into account when assigning a grade. Yup. I've never agreed with the 'relative' standard which was adopted. My preference has always been an 'ideal' or 'actual' standard which takes into account ALL defects. It would also be WAY less complicated because you wouldn't have to remember which books had production errors like 'gripper tears' and the like. Of course, certain books could never achieve high grade status because of the production issues at the time. But, who cares? If the highest grade possible on a certain book is 9.0 (or whatever)...so what? Please write your Congressperson.
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Post by Jeffro on Aug 13, 2018 3:00:47 GMT -8
I wish the comic grading companies had taken into account from the beginning centering, like the sports card grading industry does. It would be much harder to do it for comics. I also don't like the "production error" excuse (for stuff like printers creases) that gives them the out to just not take that into account when assigning a grade. Yup. I've never agreed with the 'relative' standard which was adopted. My preference has always been an 'ideal' or 'actual' standard which takes into account ALL defects. It would also be WAY less complicated because you wouldn't have to remember which books had production errors like 'gripper tears' and the like. Of course, certain books could never achieve high grade status because of the production issues at the time. But, who cares? If the highest grade possible on a certain book is 9.0 (or whatever)...so what? Please write your Congressperson. And don't forget the golden age production double standard which allows CGC to dismiss prod errors unique to that period. Funny how the sports card grading industry doesn't do that. (I do understand that grading comics is more complex than grading cards) It's bull when you have two copies of the same comic, graded 9.4 with white pages and one is perfectly centered and the other one has a printers crease, or some white miswrap on the spine and yet they are both 9.4. I swear that most of their decisions made back in the late 90s when they were forming the company were based on maximizing submissions and you can't maximize submissions by taking the stance that pressing is restoration or that production defects should be considered during the grading process.
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Post by copperagekids on Aug 13, 2018 10:08:57 GMT -8
Doesn't look like that book was pressed to begin with I bet the billing process went off without a hitch. As for the owner's press job- Sure, it looked better. Let it sit for a month or so and record it again. I read somewhere that CAK had a book (a customer's, iirc) that had a defect 'return', requiring another press. I hope that wasn't one of those $200 convention presses. I have to wonder if any of those (and any comic with similar treatment by anyone) are graded 9.8 or 9.6 through fast track , only to revert back to whatever. That has not happened. "I read somewhere" is bull .
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Post by copperagekids on Aug 13, 2018 10:15:40 GMT -8
Doesn't look like that book was pressed to begin with I bet the billing process went off without a hitch. As for the owner's press job- Sure, it looked better. Let it sit for a month or so and record it again. I read somewhere that CAK had a book (a customer's, iirc) that had a defect 'return', requiring another press. I hope that wasn't one of those $200 convention presses. I have to wonder if any of those (and any comic with similar treatment by anyone) are graded 9.8 or 9.6 through fast track , only to revert back to whatever.
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Post by copperagekids on Aug 13, 2018 10:24:10 GMT -8
Doesn't look like that book was pressed to begin with I bet the billing process went off without a hitch. As for the owner's press job- Sure, it looked better. Let it sit for a month or so and record it again. I read somewhere that CAK had a book (a customer's, iirc) that had a defect 'return', requiring another press. I hope that wasn't one of those $200 convention presses. I have to wonder if any of those (and any comic with similar treatment by anyone) are graded 9.8 or 9.6 through fast track , only to revert back to whatever. Siggy's Tar Dust®This is a blatant lie i.e. libel.
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Post by copperagekids on Aug 13, 2018 12:13:58 GMT -8
Please do go on.
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Post by copperagekids on Aug 13, 2018 12:26:11 GMT -8
You are wrong.
Post up a link to the (non-existent) supposed thread wherein a (non-existent) pressing client/customer of mine stated that a book that I pressed for for him/her had to be pressed again, and the (non-existent) qoute of this (non-existent) pressing client/customer of mine that stated such.
Not a single book, that I pressed for a client/customer of mine, had any reversion problems.
Your childish attitude is a toss up between disgusting and laughable.
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